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TheDPAO(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Passive -That's the whole point.God reaches to us and changes us -we do nothing to deserve heaven. The Novo Order ,while is licit, is too much activity and response by the parishioners. Our God is the God of silence "Be still and know I am God" As far as deep of the faith no one can judge a heart not even their own but God.
ChristainPatriot01(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
I thought Holland left the faith during the reformation?
peloavila(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
well, it is not difficult to watch it. Think about this: how much Catholic Faith were in the world before of the council vatican II and how much real catholics are now?
dacatholicbandorgan(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
You are wrong. Vatican II never permitted thease things. The Liturgical reform went dangerously off course from what it was meant.
dacatholicbandorgan(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Spot on!
chrisklecker(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Vatican II was a reform of many things which included the mass, but nowhere does it say in Vatican II that the Tridintine Mass is to be removed completely nor was Ad Oriendum supposed to be removed. This was a reaction to Vatican II that took precendence in order to make the mass more approachable to the people. In the end, it was changed so much that most of what Vatican II asked for was lost.
peloavila(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
but the bad tree give bad fruits. the guilty of that "Altar Girls, communion in the Hand, and the way churches where built amoungst other things" was the council vatican II
Boerenfox(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Until Vaticanum II the Netherlands were an example in adherence, obedience and servility to 'Rome'. In the provinces Brabant and Limbourg you could breathe Catholicism.In no time all this disappeared. You may ask how deep this 'people's faith' actually was rooted. All older Catholics learned the Catechismus, went to schools with clergy, processions were a public outing. But 75% of all these Catholics now only goes to church 3 times a year (baptism, wedding and funeral). Where went it wrong?
Boerenfox(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Correction: the latin form of the Mass was never abolished. The modernized Mass which was allowed after Vaticanum II was never intended to replace the old rite.But in the wave of democratization, maybe even 'demolishion' in the Sixties and the Seventies, the clergy thought the centuries old rites were 'out of touch' with the changing times.Having witnessed some latin Masses, I tend to agree a bit. The visitors to Mass are totally passive and man may ask how 'deep' the real Faith was.
SwissCatholic(November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Except that the vast majority of the ordinary form Masses are said improperly at best and at worst scandalously illicit or even invalidly celebrated. And don't forget about the many Eastern Rite Catholics out there. |
